Finally found a donor for my black XM aka Fantôme Noir

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Finally found a donor for my black XM aka Fantôme Noir

Post by Ferdinand » Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:13 pm

Got in touch with a guy in april who had a green donorcar for sale, but he had to go abroad foran unknown period, so he made his advert inactive and gone was the car….. Fortunately he came back last week and wrote me and I saw and bought a much needed donor for my Fantôme Noir: a Vert Vega 1998 ES9 BVM

The body is rotten in the rear, but mecanically it’s in really good shape, the exhaust is in really good condition and the interior almost perfect: All black so the headliner and carpets is going in one of my other cars.
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99’ XM 2.5 BVM Exclusive, 98’ XM 3.0i V6 BVA Exclusive, 90’ XM 3.0 V6 BVM, 97’ XM 3.0 V6 Exclusive BVM, 93’ XM 2.1 Turbo D12 BVA, Xsara 110 HDi, C3 1.6 BlueHDi, Range Rover HSE, BMW Z3, V70 D5, 144S Renault Laguna Initiale

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Re: Finally found a donor for my black XM aka Fantôme Noir

Post by Dieselman » Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:24 am

Nice frilly rear arches, there.
From what I observe, the rear arches on late, Exclusive trim, Xm tend to rot badly. I believe this is a result of reduced rust protection and adding foam sound deadening on top of the rear arch liners.
The foam holds water so keeps the body wet. Due to the extra sound deadening, the cars are so quiet you can hear the tin-worm munching at the steel.
91 3.0 sei M. 4852 EXY Black
92 2.1 sed M. 5740 ECZ Sable Phenicien
92 3.0 V6-24. 5713 EXY Black
92 2.1 sd M. 5685 ENT Blue Sideral
Prev
90 2.1sd M. 5049 EJV Mandarin
92 2.1sd A. 5698 EJV Mandarin
94 2.1sd A. 6218 ERT Triton
91 2.0si M. 5187 EWT White

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Re: Finally found a donor for my black XM aka Fantôme Noir

Post by xantia_v6 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:30 am

Are you intending to swap the BVM transmission into your car?

If so, I would recommend swapping some cogs from a diesel ML5T to lower the cruising RPM. I am always wanting a higher gear. A C5 or Peugeot with the 2.2 engine should have better ratios.
1999 XM Exclusive V6 24V ES9 Manual (LHD) 105,000 km
1997 Xantia Exclusive V6 (RHD) 45,000 miles

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Re: Finally found a donor for my black XM aka Fantôme Noir

Post by Ferdinand » Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:18 pm

xantia_v6 wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:30 am
Are you intending to swap the BVM transmission into your car?

If so, I would recommend swapping some cogs from a diesel ML5T to lower the cruising RPM. I am always wanting a higher gear. A C5 or Peugeot with the 2.2 engine should have better ratios.
My black XM is already a manual V6 ES9. I needed this donorcar because the slave clutch in it is dead, so no need til swap anything.. Looking so forward to getting a functioning ES9 with stick.
Cars:
99’ XM 2.5 BVM Exclusive, 98’ XM 3.0i V6 BVA Exclusive, 90’ XM 3.0 V6 BVM, 97’ XM 3.0 V6 Exclusive BVM, 93’ XM 2.1 Turbo D12 BVA, Xsara 110 HDi, C3 1.6 BlueHDi, Range Rover HSE, BMW Z3, V70 D5, 144S Renault Laguna Initiale

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Re: Finally found a donor for my black XM aka Fantôme Noir

Post by Citjon » Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:40 pm

Dieselman wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:24 am
Nice frilly rear arches, there.
From what I observe, the rear arches on late, Exclusive trim, Xm tend to rot badly. I believe this is a result of reduced rust protection and adding foam sound deadening on top of the rear arch liners.
The foam holds water so keeps the body wet. Due to the extra sound deadening, the cars are so quiet you can hear the tin-worm munching at the steel.
I found the remains of this foam when I removed the arch liners on my 98 VSX and wondered where it came from. Strangely enough the arches are pretty solid despite lots of rust elsewhere.
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98 XM 2.1 VSX auto RP8032 EHJ Crimson Pearl
89 CX25DTR T2
72 D Super 5 Black
72 DS21 efi Bleu D'Orient

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Re: Finally found a donor for my black XM aka Fantôme Noir

Post by Citjon » Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:48 pm

xantia_v6 wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:30 am
Are you intending to swap the BVM transmission into your car?

If so, I would recommend swapping some cogs from a diesel ML5T to lower the cruising RPM. I am always wanting a higher gear. A C5 or Peugeot with the 2.2 engine should have better ratios.
I have the parts for a RHD V6 BVM conversion, if I ever get round to it. Interesting to hear about the gearbox ratios, I will look out for one of those.
98 XM 2.1 VSX auto RP8032 EHJ Crimson Pearl
89 CX25DTR T2
72 D Super 5 Black
72 DS21 efi Bleu D'Orient

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Re: Finally found a donor for my black XM aka Fantôme Noir

Post by Dieselman » Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:16 pm

Citjon wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:40 pm
Dieselman wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:24 am
Nice frilly rear arches, there.
From what I observe, the rear arches on late, Exclusive trim, Xm tend to rot badly. I believe this is a result of reduced rust protection and adding foam sound deadening on top of the rear arch liners.
The foam holds water so keeps the body wet. Due to the extra sound deadening, the cars are so quiet you can hear the tin-worm munching at the steel.
I found the remains of this foam when I removed the arch liners on my 98 VSX and wondered where they came from. Strangely enough the arches are pretty solid despite lots of rust elsewhere.
I trust you did the right thing and consigned the foam to the bin.
91 3.0 sei M. 4852 EXY Black
92 2.1 sed M. 5740 ECZ Sable Phenicien
92 3.0 V6-24. 5713 EXY Black
92 2.1 sd M. 5685 ENT Blue Sideral
Prev
90 2.1sd M. 5049 EJV Mandarin
92 2.1sd A. 5698 EJV Mandarin
94 2.1sd A. 6218 ERT Triton
91 2.0si M. 5187 EWT White

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Re: Finally found a donor for my black XM aka Fantôme Noir

Post by Citjon » Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:23 pm

Dieselman wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:16 pm
Citjon wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:40 pm
Dieselman wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:24 am
Nice frilly rear arches, there.
From what I observe, the rear arches on late, Exclusive trim, Xm tend to rot badly. I believe this is a result of reduced rust protection and adding foam sound deadening on top of the rear arch liners.
The foam holds water so keeps the body wet. Due to the extra sound deadening, the cars are so quiet you can hear the tin-worm munching at the steel.
I found the remains of this foam when I removed the arch liners on my 98 VSX and wondered where they came from. Strangely enough the arches are pretty solid despite lots of rust elsewhere.
I trust you did the right thing and consigned the foam to the bin.
Absolutely, although I did consider replacing it. I'm now worried I won't be able to hear if the tin worms return!
98 XM 2.1 VSX auto RP8032 EHJ Crimson Pearl
89 CX25DTR T2
72 D Super 5 Black
72 DS21 efi Bleu D'Orient

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