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Re: Dealer service tool kits & diagnostics
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:58 am
by aramsay
I don't have the actual Lexia central unit. I do, however, have an ELiT available.
The diagnsotic stuff are a load of connectors, adapters.....x2 huge fitted plastic cases, and about 2 cardboard boxes
worth of adapters....mostly unused, still in sealed bags.
I still like the idea of a central "borrowing library" for the stuff. Who would host it tho' ??
I don't have any image hosting links. If someone does, I can send them a photo of the stuff I have to
post on here. I can do a manual list in the meantime.
Alan.
Re: Dealer service tool kits & diagnostics
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:51 pm
by xantia_v6
For an XM-era Citroen, an Elit is generally as good as a Lexia, better because it is quicker and easier to use.
Re: Dealer service tool kits & diagnostics
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:40 pm
by aramsay
Here's a list of the diagnostics stuff I have for sale. Somone has offered to put some images up, so hopefully we'll see those soon. Reminder that I am down at Donington Park & Cadwell Park this coming w/e, so I could bring the bulky cases or the whole lot down with me....meet along the route from Ayrshire, or at venues mentioned ?
9972.CM / 8607T
9972.AM / 4238T
9972.AX / 4242T
9972.AE / 4233T
9972.AC / 4231T
9972.AD / 4232T
9972.AG / 4235T
9972.19 / 4194T
9972.BZ / 4267T
9972.AH / 4236T
9972.BU / 4262T
9972.AK / 4237T
9972.29 / 4199T
9972.AF / 4234T
9972.BT / 4261T
4141T.K
PA.P.28 / P101064400A / 51-97
Actia TD.P.28 / P102215100A
Souriau Station 26A, x29 small/short adapters, red attaché case
4125-T & 4126-T ELiT major connectors set, x2 large grey cases
Actia ELiT hand-held diagnostic unit, with communication cable
X2 volumes ELiT user guides
Actia TCD CD hard-drive for updates downloads, in case
Re: Dealer service tool kits & diagnostics
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:40 pm
by sageman
wow quite the selection there thanks for offering it all up for sale
Re: Dealer service tool kits & diagnostics
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:58 pm
by Julianw
That looks like a useful selection. I could host/curate, though I don't tend to get to many shows or meets where items could be handed out. I'm also only marginally in the centre of the country if you count Scotland, but quite happy to travel to meet other members to move bits around...
Re: Dealer service tool kits & diagnostics
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:49 am
by Pshemsky
Degens wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:29 pm
Great idea to have it in the 'club' for everybody to use when needed. Happy to chip in if someone wants as it were to be the keeper of the things! Maybe we can do that with other stuff also!
I'm all for it - great idea. I just start surfing online in search for information about diagnostic tool (recently I've tried to "clean" my xantia and go bit too harsh on acceleration in third gear - engine warning sign showed up display and stayed there for good). I have no idea where and what to buy... and even how to use it
I had hope that maybe Paul could help me out, but in his health condition I wouldn't dare to ask him about anything.
Re: Dealer service tool kits & diagnostics
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:37 am
by xmexclusive
The ELIT is the predecessor to the LEXIA.
It is a simple programmed tool but fine for pre 2000 Citroens.
It has the advantage that it has a stand alone programme.
As with all these tools it only tells you what it finds.
That is often not sufficient to identify the actual faulty part.
You usually also need an understanding of how that part of the car is expected to function.
The simpler the tools used the nearer you get to identifying the faulty part.
That is why the blink code reader keeps getting mentioned.
It costs peanuts and it puts you a stage closer to the actual faulty part(s).
As to the test leads on offer despite having some I am afraid that I see little value in them.
They are part of a quite large collection specific to the XM that many dealers still hold.
A Solari station, ELIT or LEXIA is needed for the actual first stage testing.
There are test sheets giving follow up actions to get to define the actual fault(s).
This is where the test lead sets come in to be used when specified.
The mechanics get training courses.
The very recent example of the blown double injection relay on Whitexec's 2.5 shows the limitations of this kit.
Dealer, then Tec support first from Madrid and then Paris still took over 3 weeks to get sorted.
The Lexia and kit probably delayed the solution to the problem.
Chris supplying a factory new ECU then later asking that they rechecked some of the earlier simple things actually got the result.
Re: Dealer service tool kits & diagnostics
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:41 pm
by sageman
Ok so if I understand correctly I won’t be able to read outputs from individual sensors on this
only read the same codes as is shown with the blink tester
and do the same component tests as can be done with the blink tester
Re: Dealer service tool kits & diagnostics
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:27 pm
by aramsay
xmexclusive wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:37 am
The ELIT is the predecessor to the LEXIA.
It is a simple programmed tool but fine for pre 2000 Citroens.
It has the advantage that it has a stand alone programme.
As with all these tools it only tells you what it finds.
That is often not sufficient to identify the actual faulty part.
You usually also need an understanding of how that part of the car is expected to function.
The simpler the tools used the nearer you get to identifying the faulty part.
That is why the blink code reader keeps getting mentioned.
It costs peanuts and it puts you a stage closer to the actual faulty part(s).
As to the test leads on offer despite having some I am afraid that I see little value in them.
They are part of a quite large collection specific to the XM that many dealers still hold.
A Solari station, ELIT or LEXIA is needed for the actual first stage testing.
There are test sheets giving follow up actions to get to define the actual fault(s).
This is where the test lead sets come in to be used when specified.
The mechanics get training courses.
The very recent example of the blown double injection relay on Whitexec's 2.5 shows the limitations of this kit.
Dealer, then Tec support first from Madrid and then Paris still took over 3 weeks to get sorted.
The Lexia and kit probably delayed the solution to the problem.
Chris supplying a factory new ECU then later asking that they rechecked some of the earlier simple things actually got the result.
As you seem to know what you are talking about regards the various diagnostic equipment, it would seem to me
that you are the ideal person to take this stuff on for the benefit of the Forum users.
The concensus seems to be that a "lending library" idea would be best, and someone has to take the lead on
this, otherwise it will just languish in my garage, and will probably eventually get scrapped.....
What you reckon ?
Btw.....can you sign-off with a name pls. so I know who I'm conversing with.
Alan.
Re: Dealer service tool kits & diagnostics
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:01 pm
by xmexclusive
Hi Alan
Running this type of "repair kit" lending arrangement is actually a major undertaking.
The storage space, then the logistics, costs and getting kit back are all problems to resolve.
That would most likely fall on one single member who might later regret offering.
The nearest type of "car club service" is the FCF geographical list of LEXIA owners.
They do not lend the kit out but by arrangement meet and use their LEXIA to help an owner.
That way there is no sending out and getting back problems.
More importantly the LEXIA is used by someone with experience of its functions and fault interpretation.
They are also likely to have contacts to source special tools.
This mutual help system has worked well for a number of years with the work load spread through a good number of members.
Not all LEXIA reads are successful particularly with the later cars with a 30 pin diagnostic socket.
Specialist test leads seldom need to be used.
That applied even at dealer level.
Those you have almost certainly came from a dealers test kit.
That some are still sealed in plastic as supplied means they were never ever used.
The boxes of special tools are potentially slightly more useful but very seldom actually needed.
Despite the above I would not like your kit to be sent to scrap.
John