RHD Headlights

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Betweenthewheels
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RHD Headlights

Post by Betweenthewheels » Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:44 am

Good morning folks - I am looking to 'Anglicise' my 1998 2.0 Petrol French Series 2 XM and am looking for a pair of good, complete headlamps - can you help?

Any assistance would be most grateful.

Regards, Ultan
Taunton, Somerset
Currently: Citroen XM VSX 2.0 Petrol 1998 manual, dark grey with black leather
Previously:
XM Series 1.5 Prestige 1994
CX Prestige LWB 1987
CX Pallas 1978
BX (hmmm..)
SM 2.7 EFI 1973
DS Pallas 1971
DS carb 1968

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Re: RHD Headlights

Post by Dieselman » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:49 pm

Are yours the type with no internal lens, or with?
If with, just flip the lens round by swapping from one unit to the other.
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Betweenthewheels
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Re: RHD Headlights

Post by Betweenthewheels » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:29 pm

Hi Dieselman - not sure which to be honest. How can I check? Is it obvious just by looking directly at them?
Thanks
Taunton, Somerset
Currently: Citroen XM VSX 2.0 Petrol 1998 manual, dark grey with black leather
Previously:
XM Series 1.5 Prestige 1994
CX Prestige LWB 1987
CX Pallas 1978
BX (hmmm..)
SM 2.7 EFI 1973
DS Pallas 1971
DS carb 1968

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Re: RHD Headlights

Post by Dieselman » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:46 am

If your lamps have clear glass, with just a few vertical bars and an internal plastic lens for the dip beam (outer lamp), they are early type.

Later Lhd lamps have the dip beam lens cast as part of the outer glass.
92 2.1SED M.RP5740 ECZ Sable Phenicien
92 3.0 V6-24.Rp 5713 EXY Black
92 2.1SD M.RP 5685 ENT Blue Sideral
Prev
90 2.1SD M.RP 5049 EJV Mandarin
92 2.1SD A.RP 5698 EJV Mandarin
94 2.1SD A.RP 6218 ERT Triton Green
91 2.0SI M.RP 5187 EWT White

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Re: RHD Headlights

Post by Stickfinger » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:53 am

Quick question if you do not mind the interruption chaps, did RHD headlamps maintain the lens insert throughout production ?

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Re: RHD Headlights

Post by Dieselman » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:09 am

Yes
No change to Rhd lamps.
92 2.1SED M.RP5740 ECZ Sable Phenicien
92 3.0 V6-24.Rp 5713 EXY Black
92 2.1SD M.RP 5685 ENT Blue Sideral
Prev
90 2.1SD M.RP 5049 EJV Mandarin
92 2.1SD A.RP 5698 EJV Mandarin
94 2.1SD A.RP 6218 ERT Triton Green
91 2.0SI M.RP 5187 EWT White

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Re: RHD Headlights

Post by xantia_v6 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:51 pm

I believe that S1 and S2 lamps have slightly different mountings due to the changed shape of the front bumper.
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Re: RHD Headlights

Post by White Exec » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:16 pm

John (xmexclusive) has written extensively on the forum about headlight differences, changes and compatibility.
Do a Search to pull up the posts.

Later LHD headlights had no fresnels (as said above), but the slots for the plastic lenses do exist in the reflectors, and so they can be fitted to convert them to RHD (dip-to-left).

I have tried a pair of late-type LHD units in the S2 here (Spain), but found them to produce too much of a low-down bright spot to be acceptable. Switched back to the car's original RHD units, but with the fresnels 'flipped' to give the required LHD (dip-to-right) pattern.
This was the best combination obtainable, and producing a good, even 'apron' of light on dip. Still in use today.

Using the fresnels has the advantage of an even spread of light on dip, and the option to choose L or R dipping. The later fresnel material stayed free of the UV yellowing/browning which the early type suffered from. Using the better H1 bulbs (Philips X-treme or Osram Nightbreaker Silver*) makes a noticeable difference, too.

* The 'Silver' version has no blue tint.
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Re: RHD Headlights

Post by Dieselman » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:48 am

xantia_v6 wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:51 pm
I believe that S1 and S2 lamps have slightly different mountings due to the changed shape of the front bumper.
S1 units have a spacer block added for the nosecone/grill to mount onto.
S2 nosecones had the fixing moved, so no spacer required.

Either type of lamp will fit with appropriate modification.
92 2.1SED M.RP5740 ECZ Sable Phenicien
92 3.0 V6-24.Rp 5713 EXY Black
92 2.1SD M.RP 5685 ENT Blue Sideral
Prev
90 2.1SD M.RP 5049 EJV Mandarin
92 2.1SD A.RP 5698 EJV Mandarin
94 2.1SD A.RP 6218 ERT Triton Green
91 2.0SI M.RP 5187 EWT White

EathanR
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Re: RHD Headlights

Post by EathanR » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:29 pm

I have a pair of RHD headlights from a Series 2 XM, one of the few bits I still have. Can send some pictures of them if you message me your e-mail address

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