A conversion...

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A conversion...

Post by citroenxm » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:50 pm

Continued attempts to retire just doesnt happen, and while waiting for some parts for ANOTHER XM, blogged else where, another arrived today safely ...

The Car: Late W reg, V6 24v Auto

The Issue: No forward drive, only reverse, real awfull noise comming from the box.

The Job: Bin the awfull ZF 4HP 20 and replace with a Manual Box!

The Job is NOT for myself, but has been waiting 6 months for this to happen. Originally planned for March this year, its now happening now.

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Working space prepared

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The car awaiting attention

Needs Out:
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State of play after 3 hrs work..

Bumper bracket bolts came out in one piece, cooling fan assey panels unbolted, drive shaft nuts undone, water rad off..

Things to look at Ive noticed so far.
Air Con Doesnt work.
HP Pump needs a set of seals..
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So, mechanical side first... then we need to tackle the inside, dash out and put in a manual brake pedal and clutch pedal, and plumb in the hydraulic line to the gearbox..
1990 H reg V6 24v Manual .. in progress.. on SORN
Projects:
92 Bx Txd Turbo
92 L Xm 2.1t D auto project
Others
55 C5 V6 24v Auto toy
54 Xsara picasso 2.0 8v Hdi
Shit thats scarey.. Two XMs left...

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Re: A conversion...

Post by MTXM » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:25 pm

Bin the awfull ZF 4HP 20 and replace with a Manual Box!
Interesting stuff Paul and it also sound like a challenge!! With regards, Matthew T.
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1990 V6sei auto (grey auto)
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Re: A conversion...

Post by Dean » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:55 pm

ooo more fun! i like it Paul.

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Re: A conversion...

Post by citroenxm » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:06 pm

Two on the go..i must be getting more stupid.. but opposite ends of the engine scale..

A tct at one end needing reassemble. And this one..
1990 H reg V6 24v Manual .. in progress.. on SORN
Projects:
92 Bx Txd Turbo
92 L Xm 2.1t D auto project
Others
55 C5 V6 24v Auto toy
54 Xsara picasso 2.0 8v Hdi
Shit thats scarey.. Two XMs left...

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Re: A conversion...

Post by russ92xmsed » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:59 pm

What a great project. Great looking car, I really like the later mk2 in that silver. Even better if it had a you know what dash!

Someone else has done this sort of thing with the ES9J, but to a Xantia V6. Used a manual box from a 406 coupe.
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Re: A conversion...

Post by citroenxm » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:36 pm

I know a fella who converted two xantias and there was sod all wrong with the autoboxs he just prefered manual..

Its not globally a hard job.. its time consuming and a little fiddley in parts. Getting the manual box on wont be the issue. Feeding the hydraulic line and possibly dash and pedal box work may be the hardest.

Donar box is a 406.. and drive shafts and manual ecu. New clutch to go in.. and while its out new thermostat for the engine.
1990 H reg V6 24v Manual .. in progress.. on SORN
Projects:
92 Bx Txd Turbo
92 L Xm 2.1t D auto project
Others
55 C5 V6 24v Auto toy
54 Xsara picasso 2.0 8v Hdi
Shit thats scarey.. Two XMs left...

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Re: A conversion...

Post by citroenxm » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:11 pm

Not much to add but some progress this week.. got the battery box out.. hydraulic pipe work from pump to car off.. lhm tank removed.. autobox ecu and harness to box removed... exhaust pipe to manifold undone etc etc.. subject to drive shafts out im ready for lifting out..

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An interesting thing i spotted in the second pic in the centre theres the mounting point for the regulator.. amazingly.. after a quick look at the manual box they have cast the identical bracket mount on the manual box!!!
1990 H reg V6 24v Manual .. in progress.. on SORN
Projects:
92 Bx Txd Turbo
92 L Xm 2.1t D auto project
Others
55 C5 V6 24v Auto toy
54 Xsara picasso 2.0 8v Hdi
Shit thats scarey.. Two XMs left...

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Re: A conversion...

Post by xantia_v6 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:14 am

citroenxm wrote:Image[/url]

An interesting thing i spotted in the second pic in the centre theres the mounting point for the regulator.. amazingly.. after a quick look at the manual box they have cast the identical bracket mount on the manual box!!!
I think that mounting point is used on some manual 406s for the engine oil heat exchanger.

Are you sure that the 406 driveshaftsa are correct for the XM? I think you might need driveshafts from a 2.1, 2.5 or TCT XM.
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Re: A conversion...

Post by citroenxm » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:26 am

Find out when i come to assemble .. theres pleanty of shafts here in the shed to go through..
1990 H reg V6 24v Manual .. in progress.. on SORN
Projects:
92 Bx Txd Turbo
92 L Xm 2.1t D auto project
Others
55 C5 V6 24v Auto toy
54 Xsara picasso 2.0 8v Hdi
Shit thats scarey.. Two XMs left...

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Re: A conversion...

Post by citroenxm » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:04 pm

Some progress today...

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We are out! That was not a bad thing to do, the gearbox is very compact, its only favour.. the unit just lifted straight up as the end of the box clears the nearside chassis leg!

So, it was then box off, not before releasing the 16mm x3 bolts to the torque converter..

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One down two to go... but they werent all that tight! Thank god! Managed to get at them past the exhaust pipe...

and its box off..
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then flywheel off, which to my horror showed up what the "Metalic" scraping sound was when running...

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See the marking on the block!.... it doesnt look good..

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Allready to put the flywheel and clutch on we find a weeping crank seal..

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That ends engine work till we can find one..

So, onto the interior.. and dash out..

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The thought on what to do next.. I decided id just move the pedal box forward to work on swapping the pedals and master cylinder bracket..

7 bolts are accessed from in the engine bay.. well two are on the firewall... and 5 are in the scuttle.. wiper assey out the way..

The blower intake cover needs removing to get the nuts off..
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Two here and a third under the wiper assy i didnt picture..
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And these two further down the firewall that secure a bracket next to the parking brake..
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We were then ready after some plug disconnections ready to pull forward..
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And heres the pedal pivot bar that i need to work on...
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I also needed to remove the heater vent ducts out the way to gain view..
1990 H reg V6 24v Manual .. in progress.. on SORN
Projects:
92 Bx Txd Turbo
92 L Xm 2.1t D auto project
Others
55 C5 V6 24v Auto toy
54 Xsara picasso 2.0 8v Hdi
Shit thats scarey.. Two XMs left...

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