George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

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Re: George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

Post by jorgy » Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:25 am

Thanks, good to know!
cheers
G
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Re: George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

Post by jorgy » Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:24 pm

Update on the "Poole" XM: passed it's MOT last week! :D

-fail items: change my Barry-boy blue number-plate leds with white ones :cry: :lol:
-advisories: none! :shock:

+11k troublefree miles since purchased last November. Will celebrate its anniversary with... :lol: a good wash, now the freeze is gone.

Now showing 91k, time for another oil+filter change.

Think I got a gem of an XM, hope it stays like that!

...And a photo from the summer -please Winter, GO AWAY !!!!

G
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Re: George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

Post by Peter.N. » Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:01 am

Looks very nice. How about the dent in the sill? :D
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Re: George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

Post by Dieselman » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:06 am

Nice to hear Jorgy, and it's looking good too. I actually like the S2 grille and over-large badges, but prefer the rest of an XM as Series1.
Incidentally, how is the fuel economy working out for you, especially compared to the 3.0 petrol.

My big day is Wednesday morning at 8:00am. I'm pretty sure it will pick up an advisory for brake pad wear cables broken, but hopefully will be Ok otherwise...it's -6c, so too cold to do anything now..
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92 2.1SED M.RP5740 ECZ Sable Phenicien
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Re: George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

Post by jorgy » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:47 pm

Peter.N. wrote:Looks very nice. How about the dent in the sill? :D
Thanks Peter.
The dent is still there, untouched. I will deal with that next summer, and maybe also decide to give that side's 3 rearmost panels a paintjob like the rest of the car has received in May 09. Would like to assess the durability of the other painted panels for a while. For now, it's been perfect.
G
'94 XM 3.0 12v LHD Manual, DIRAVI, Black - @138k, now 175k - RP6336 - SORN
'93 XM 2.1TD SED Manual, Pearl Emerald Green - @80k, now 115k - RP6077
SOLD '99 2.0 Xantia HDi Exclusive, Silver -118k to 130k
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Re: George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

Post by Peter.N. » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:05 pm

Sorry about that George :D What reminded me is that this very nice - otherwise 406 I bought has a dirty great dent in the sill.

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'96 'N' 2.1 td VSX manual estate White RP6695. Sadly gone
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Re: George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

Post by jorgy » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:06 pm

Dieselman wrote:Nice to hear Jorgy, and it's looking good too. I actually like the S2 grille and over-large badges, but prefer the rest of an XM as Series1.
Incidentally, how is the fuel economy working out for you, especially compared to the 3.0 petrol.

My big day is tomorrow morning at 8:00am. I'm pretty sure it will pick up an advisory for brake pad wear cables broken, but hopefully will be Ok otherwise...it's -6c, so too cold to do anything now..
Thanks D -it's actually an S1 grille -the badge is, I think, for the rear of a Jumper or so. I do miss the S1 bumper sometimes, but as I also have my completely standard S1.5 V6 to look at... ;)

Consumption -you're lucky, I've been keeping records for a year now! Here's the consumption figures per fill up, lifted from Excel :) (see notes at the end) :

Jan-10
orange light constant @ 1,638mls = 308miles/493km = 7,3lt/100km / 38.7mpg (driving at 80mph, using boost often)


Feb-10
£50 (45lt) @ 1,638miles
orange light constant @ 2,080 miles= 442miles/707km = 6,3lt/100km / 44.84mpg (driving at 70mph, trying not use boost if not necessary)

£40 (35.74lt) @ 82,765 k miles
orange light constant ESTIMATED @ 83,037 k miles= 272miles/435km = 8.21lt/100km / 34.4mpg (driving hard 85 mph including 100mph trials)


Mar-10
£40 (35.12lt) @ 83,037 k miles
orange light constant 83,367@ k miles= 330miles/528km =6.65 lt/100km / 42.48mpg (mixed driving)


Apr-10
£15 (12.6lt) @ 83,367 k miles
orange light constant 83,504@ k miles= 137miles/219km =5.75 lt/100km / 49.13mpg

£40 (33.64lt) @ 83,504 k miles 16/4
+
£30 (25.02lt) @ mmmm 30/4
=58.66ltrs
orange light constant @84064 k miles= 560miles/901km = 6.51lt/100km / 43.39mpg (mixed driving)


Jun-10
£30 (25.6lt) @ 84,256 k miles
orange light constant @ 84,515k miles= 259miles/416km = 6.15lt/100km / 45.93mpg

£30 (25.75lt) @ 84,515 k miles
orange light constant @84755 k miles= 240miles/386km = 6.67lt/100km / 42.35mpg


Jul-10
£40 (34lt) @ 84,755 k miles
orange light constant @ 85093k miles= 338miles/543km = 6.26lt/100km / 45.2mpg
(running all the time between 80-100mph!!!)

£40 (34.2lt) @ 85,093 k miles
orange light constant @ 85,420k miles= 327miles/523km = 6.53lt/100km / 43.5mpg
(running at 70-80mph)

£40 (34.5lt) @ 85,572 k miles
orange light constant @85,978 k miles= 406miles/649km = 5.31lt/100km /53.2 mpg


Aug-10
£80 (68.8lt) @ 85,978 k miles
orange light constant @ 86,665k miles= 687miles/1099km = 6.26lt/100km / 45.1mpg

£50 (43.5lt) @ 86,665 k miles
orange light constant @ 87111k miles= 446miles/717km = 6.06lt/100km / 46.6mpg


Sep-10
£92 (80lt) @ 87,111 k miles
orange light constant @ 87,893 k miles= 782miles/1,251km = 6.38lt/100km / 44.5mpg

£40 (34.8lt)? @ 87,893 k miles
orange light constant @ 88260k miles= 367miles/587km = 5.92lt/100km / 47.7mpg


Oct-10
£40 (34.8lt) @ 88,260 k miles
orange light constant @ 88,622k miles= 362miles/579km = 6.01lt/100km / 47mpg

£40 (33.9lt) @ 88,622 k miles
orange light constant @ 89,015k miles= 393miles/628km = 5.39lt/100km / 52.4mpg

£40 (33.64lt) @ 89,015 k miles
orange light constant @ 89,365k miles= 350miles/560km = 6lt/100km / 47.08mpg

£40 (33.64lt) @ 89,365 k miles
orange light constant @ 89,708k miles= 343miles/548km = 6.13lt/100km / 46.08mpg


Nov-10
£ (33.64lt) @ 89,708 k miles
orange light constant @ 90,046k miles= miles/540km = 6.22lt/100km / 46.11mpg

£ (33.64lt) @ 90.046 k miles
orange light constant @ 90,387k miles= miles/545km = 6.17lt/100km / 46.06mpg

£ (33.64lt) @ 90.387 k miles
orange light constant @ 90,750k miles= miles/580km = 5.8lt/100km / 48mpg

£80 (66.9lt) @ 90,750 k miles
orange light constant @ 91,371k miles= 621miles/993km = 6.73lt/100km / 41.97mpg



Some things to note:

-manual gearbox
-My commute is very standard: 60 miles/day, of which all is open motorway @70-80mph and 6 miles is city centre.
-I'm not trying to save fuel at all; I'm pleasing myself whenever there's a chance to!
-I always go for £40 (not 40lt) of diesel each time

-As of late September, all figures are for carrying 2 passengers every single time!

-Tyres are Michelin Energy Saver (195/65) which I'm very happy with in every respect, probably the best overall tyres I've tried in my lifetime. Wear seems to be very small too after 11k -had a look the other day.
-Using standard Asda diesel 9 out of 10 times
-The lower figure at the last observation is due to putting £80 and mainly bec I started leaving the car warm up for 5-10 mins before I go every morning.
-It took me some time to learn to using the turbo (is my 1st), its performace is quite different than a n/a car. It's very pleasant to drive in 9/10 of occassions.
-From all this, it looks like Cits official figure for the 90kmh/56mph cycle of 4.9lt/100km/57mpg would be achievable whenever one wanted!
-The V6 12v manual was doing 28mpg at best under same conditions -although I tended to stay nearer to 80mph+ with that one, without any perceived effort (the 2.1td engine becomes quite audible after 3,000rpm (about 70mph) and I don't feel like going much faster), and I suspected a slow lambda sensor on the V6 too -it should be doing slightly better under Cit figures -more like 30mpg, but not better than that anyway.

Good luck to you for Wednesday!
G
'94 XM 3.0 12v LHD Manual, DIRAVI, Black - @138k, now 175k - RP6336 - SORN
'93 XM 2.1TD SED Manual, Pearl Emerald Green - @80k, now 115k - RP6077
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Re: George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

Post by Peter.N. » Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:27 pm

That sounds about right, brilliant cars for their size, the 2.1 engine will return better mpg than the 1.9s in most applications, much more efficient engine due to three valves per cylinder and the terrific low down torque. A steady poodle to Scotland will give me 55 mpg but otherwise figures about the same as yours.

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Re: George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

Post by jorgy » Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:40 am

Funny u should say about the torque Peter, I've been thinking about it lately.

When I first got the 2.1, the low end torque (=below 1,500rpm) was my biggest dissapointment coming from a 12v V6 Manual. I couldn't do what I was used to doing routinely with the V6 e.g. exiting a tight uphill corner in 2nd from idling rpm -I almost stalled the 2.1 a couple of times while adapting to it. This was annoying in dense city traffic, as I tend to crawl in as low rpm as possible, engine allowing. I also remember being very annoyed in a jammed motoway scenario, where u do start-stop all the time and crawl at almost idling speeds -the 2.1 just wouldn't get moving, I felt a complete hollowness between idle and 1,500 or so. Lots of vibration also -like, the whole cabin resonating.

But lately I've found myself doing all that with the 2.1 and thinking "hmmm good low end torque" as if I was re-discovering the car!!

Sure, all these judgements are very biased by habit and memory defects, but I'm sure my 2.1 is now much better in these tasks than when I first got it. Could be various things, e.g from a general freeing up of many bits and pieces after having sat for 5 years, to the brakes freeing up -I had evidence that they were lazy to release and also of intermittent severe assymetrical braking (left/right), and only lately these symptoms have dissapeared -I was actually looking forward to hear the braking records from the MOT, but nothing noticeable was reported.

This would fit with the fact that my consumption trend seems to be downwards, while u'd expect the opposite happening as u move into wintertime.

Go find, only sure thing is that now I'd totally subscribe to the 2.1td XM having good low-end torque.

This is not to say it is as driveable as the manual 12v V6 down there -it still prefers a full-throttle to get moving asap from a standstill (this is most noticeable when pulling off into a fast roundabout), but then nobody expects an off-boost 2.1 turbo to be like a n/a low-end-biased 3,000cc! What I'd say is the 2.1td is "very sufficient" while the 3lt "more than sufficient" (and you pay it dearly) :lol: .

Note, this is all with the EGR in place.

G
'94 XM 3.0 12v LHD Manual, DIRAVI, Black - @138k, now 175k - RP6336 - SORN
'93 XM 2.1TD SED Manual, Pearl Emerald Green - @80k, now 115k - RP6077
SOLD '99 2.0 Xantia HDi Exclusive, Silver -118k to 130k
'00 XM 3.0 24v Exclusive, Silver - @117k

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Re: George's "Poole" 1993 2.1td SED manual

Post by Dieselman » Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:13 am

The low down torque may have improved as the rings have seated properly again.
92 2.1SED M.RP5740 ECZ Sable Phenicien
92 3.0 V6-24.Rp 5713 EXY Black
92 2.1SD M.RP 5685 ENT Blue Sideral
Prev
90 2.1SD M.RP 5049 EJV Mandarin
92 2.1SD A.RP 5698 EJV Mandarin
94 2.1SD A.RP 6218 ERT Triton Green
91 2.0SI M.RP 5187 EWT White

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