Most remaining models....

[Dieselman]

I dont think it is Will, theres TOOOOO many varyents in the lists...

How do you down load it then??

What do you mean by too many variants?

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisat ... statistics

[citroenxm]

Well, I found a May 2011 File of SORN cars and TAXed cars....

In it so far I found

583 Xantia SX TD with a SORN in 2010
49 Xantia Activa
42 XM Turbo D Base
27 XM VSX Turbo Auto
27 XM I
24 GSA Special
24 Xantia SD
23 Peugeot 504
21 Ren 25 TXE Exec Auto
17 XM V6 SEi
17 ID 19
13 XM SI Turbo
11 XM Prestege Auto
10 DS Super 5
10 XM V6 24v
9 XM SED 2.1 Auto and S2 Exclusive TD Auto
9 XM Onyx
9 XM VSX Td Auto
8 DS 20
8 C6 Lignage HDi Auto
8 Xantia TD VSX
8 Talbot Alpine LS
8 Alpine Rapiers
8 XM Prestege
8 Xantia 2.1 TD VSX
7 XM V6 Si
7 Xantia VSX Turbo (TCT)
7 XM Exclusive V6 Auto
6 XM SEi Auto


Got board now.... these are out of the SORN form...

[marc61]

Its interesting what happens n years after the production of a car model ends. Having watched what's happened with the DS, GS and CX over the years, I reckon there's a critical period around 15-25 years after production ceases, when a core community of people in a country must emerge with sufficient enthusiasm, money and of sufficient number to keep the model alive. Not that there's a magic number, but if there's 100+ owners/enthusiasts and a similar number of cars there's a good chance it will survive. If its much less than 50 I reckon there's a good chance things will level out at say only 10-30 cars some 25/30 years after production; after that it's a dying breed with a handful of museum pieces in the long term.

In the late 80's people scrapped DS if the head gasket went or one sill rusted through, a bit like they do now with the XM. More money to fix than the cars worth etc. But then from somewhere a new wave of enthusiasm emerges, where people try harder or fork out more money to fix problems like that. They have to rate the car and the car magazines have to praise the model up with new younger enthusiasts emerging. That's what sort of happened with the DS in the 1990s and now there's been a stable core community of enthusiasts for well over 10 years with excellent parts provision. It doesn't look like its happening to the same extent for the CX and GS models. Both were outstandingly good cars made in very big numbers, but it's a relatively small core group of owners and enthusiasts keeping them alive now. I wonder how the XM will end up in another 10 years or so.

I guess someone out there will have studied what happens in general to old cars umpteen years after production ended. There's an international context, the DS would be struggling without the mad enthusiasm of the Dutch and the respect in France for it across the generations, so we will depend on the level of enthusiasm for XMs in Europe if parts provision is to remain good in the long term. Despite being made in big numbers, there must be some models of Vauxhalls and the like from the 60s and 70s where there are only a handful left now because they were so badly engineered. At least that isn't the case for old Citroens, so we have an fundamentally better chance of survival!

Cheers

Marc