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Jan-hendrik
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Re: Hello Chaps....new owner

Post by Jan-hendrik » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:15 pm

Stickfinger wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:28 pm
https://youtu.be/sZ74Gh2RXbM

Water in, belt covers on, engine mount replaced, hoses and pipes clipped up.......................ran the car up to temp today :)
I've been following this thread with much interest. Fantastic result, Wow :D
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Re: Hello Chaps....new owner

Post by Stickfinger » Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:11 pm

AUX belt etc on, all fine, no leaks of oil/water/LHM...... so far.

Suspension all goes up/down all OK

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Re: Hello Chaps....new owner

Post by Citjon » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:48 pm

Well done for all your hard work and perseverance it's great to see it running again!
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Re: Hello Chaps....new owner

Post by Stickfinger » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:11 pm

Thank you mate.....I cannot say I would have even started this without your support or finished this stage without the assistance of the others on this thread.

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Re: Hello Chaps....new owner

Post by Dieselman » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:57 am

White Exec wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:39 pm
Not wishing to be discouraging, but unless you have a reasonable handle on electrics, and the appropriate documentation, an XM is going to be a real challenge -
It takes all sorts, but XM electrics is not for the feint-hearted.
With the appropriate documentation, and a bit of guidance, an XM is going to be a really good place to learn the skill of vehicle electrical systems -, XM electrics are pretty simple, but not for the feint-hearted.

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I believe I've accurately paraphrased what you were saying there, Chris...
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Re: Hello Chaps....new owner

Post by Dieselman » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:59 am

Is the starter motor working off the key, yet?
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Re: Hello Chaps....new owner

Post by Stickfinger » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:18 am

Not yet, next job on the list....

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Re: Hello Chaps....new owner

Post by Dieselman » Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:52 am

Stickfinger wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:18 am
Not yet, next job on the list....
To diagnose this you ideally want three bits of equipment:
Standard test lamp,
High wattage test lamp (headlamp bulb),
Jumper wire.

There is no starter relay fitted to Xm, the full starter solenoid current passes through the Ign switch to the starter.
There is a Start Inhibit relay fitted to automatic cars, so the starter only operates in P, or N.
The relay is a remote switch so the the high starter current doesn't need to pass through the gearbox selector switch.

To diagnose quickly, split the circuits by locating the starter inhibit relay, pull it from the socket and perform a visual inspection of the relay and sockets. Leave the relay out of the socket.
There are two thin gauge wires and two thick gauge ones.
With Ign off, use the standard test lamp between Battery +ve and the thick cables to find which is the feed from the Ign and which feeds the starter. The starter solenoid coil will provide a Gnd connection and illuminate the lamp.
Use the jumper wire from the Battery +ve to the contact to trigger the starter.
If this works you can be confident that part of the circuit is sound. Move on.

Use the high wattage test lamp between Battery Gnd and the other thick cable, then turn the Ign key to START, while observing the lamp.
If it illuminates that circuit is sound.

Use the jumper wire between the thicker gauge Ign switch contact and Starter solenoid contact, ensure the gearbox is in P or N, then turn the key to START.
If the starter operates, the high power circuit is all good. Remove the jumper cable and move on.

Ign off and the gear selector NOT in P or N.
Use the standard test lamp on the thinner gauge cables to find the Gnd. (Batt +ve to connector)
Test with high wattage lamp to be sure of good continuity and load carrying capacity.
If the lamp illuminates it is sound.


With Ign on, connect the standard test lamp between the final thinner gauge wire and Batt Gnd and observe as you move the selector lever through the range. It should illuminate when the lever is in P or N and be off at all other selections.
If this test fails, check for power input to the switch and other outputs...dashboard display and reverse lamps. (observe).

If all the above tests are passed, the fault has to be the relay, which I believe you have already changed.

You can compare your findings to the wiring diagram for familiarity and if further diagnosis is required...e.g. Fuse numbers, connection points.
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Re: Hello Chaps....new owner

Post by Stickfinger » Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:54 pm

It STARTS on the Key !.....woooooha !

I decided to put the electrics on hold and do other stuff today, but decided to "tidy up"

One of the first things I tied was to disconnect the original key lock and fit a known good one, this also gave no start, so today as part of my "tidy up" I disconnected the replacement lock/switch unit and re-plugged the original one back in.....and the bugger started !

I have no clue what happened ! (and I hate that), engine ran up till the fans came on.

Started cleaning up some bumper scuff as well....
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Re: Hello Chaps....new owner

Post by citroenxm » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:03 pm

Possibly a "dry" non conductive connection.. Non xm ignition switchs from other models don't always work.. They are fussy fookers.. Then putting the proper ignition switch back in cleaned the plugs up and allowed a inductive connection.. That's all I can think of..

Well done. Starting first off is a very good sign. Well done Alasdair. The hints hopefully helped.
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