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Mish_Mish
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New US owner of old XM from this forum.

Post by Mish_Mish » Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:07 am

Greetings from snowy and slushy Ohio.
I am the lucky owner of a ran down chassis number 5111:)
Got her at the scrap auction sale in Virginia.
Car is a bit sad now, but has a lot of potential and good bones. She will be hanging on the lift for a while now, while rust is being cut out and new meat welded on. Meanwhile I need some help from the experienced XM people across be pond.
Few issues that previous owner (who is in contact with me and seems like a nice man) mentioned here I took care of but many more going to be a learning experience for me. I do own two classic DS's and bunch of other interesting 4 wheeled stuff, so purchasing a garbage XM seemed like the right thing to do.
The most important step in restoration is already taken, chrome fender covers have been cut off and scrapped!
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Post by Peter.N. » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:53 am

Welcome to the forum.

I wouldn't think there would be many XM's in your part of the world so nice to see one.

I ran them for 15 years or more as my work vehicle, mine were 2.1 manual diesel estates, I did well over 100 thousand miles in them, probably nearer 200,000 and liked them very much. I did all my own repairs and servicing which wasn't to difficult once you got to know them.

Rust was what eventually put an end to mine or I would probably still have one now.

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Re: New US owner of old XM from this forum.

Post by MTXM » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:52 pm

Another Warm Welcome to the Forum and we have just had a light flurry of snow in Norfolk, UK! I run a fleet of early V6 XM as daily drives including one of the oldest in existence and I am not giving up yet! This is certainly the best place for advice and commaradarie and we look forward to hearing more about your car and offering assistance in the future. Based on the photograph that you attached the car is an early S2 V6-24 with lhd and Diravi, which is a good model to have! With regards, Matthew T.
1989 V6 Exclusive (Poland car)
1990 V6sei auto (grey auto)
1990 V6sei manual (gold car)
1990 V6.24 Pallas (Germany car)
1990 V6.24v (Scotland car)
Other previous XM sold and broken too many to mention!

Mish_Mish
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Orga / RP numbers: 5111

Re: New US owner of old XM from this forum.

Post by Mish_Mish » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:57 pm

Thank you gentlemen for the warm welcome.
It is an early 24V with fancy steering rack system.
Right now it is ridden with old car illnesses and a lot of delayed maintenance but overall it is a healthy beast.

Here is the list of current issues:

- I cannot locate upper and lower radiator hoses, these seem to be no longer produced, any help?
- There absolutely no response of the running engine to a throttle position sensor. Revving up has a bit of delay also.
- car occasionally would not start, just cranks and no fire, but if I connect battery charger and give it extra boost she seems to fire. Battery and terminals are in good shape, not sure if this is related to alarm system (which is disabled to code 0000) or some other wiring issues.

- I am looking for some trim and whole lot of parts for routine maintenance, what is the best source?

Thanks you!

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Post by xantia_v6 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:31 pm

I don't think that your ORGA number of 5111 can be correct for that car. The actual production date can be found from the VIN using the Citroen service web site (someone on here could probably look that up for you).

A series 2 XM with the 24V PRV engine is quite rare, especially in the UK, as there were none built with the steering wheel on the right.
1999 XM Exclusive V6 24V ES9 Manual (LHD) 105,000 km
1997 Xantia Exclusive V6 (RHD) 45,000 miles

Mish_Mish
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Re: New US owner of old XM from this forum.

Post by Mish_Mish » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:46 pm

It is a series 1 24V motor, those were made from late 90 on, so mine is a very early unit.
VIN V-F-7-Y3AL0000AL161-nine

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Re: New US owner of old XM from this forum.

Post by Dieselman » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:20 pm

Mish_Mish wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:57 pm
Thank you gentlemen for the warm welcome.
It is an early 24V with fancy steering rack system.
Right now it is ridden with old car illnesses and a lot of delayed maintenance but overall it is a healthy beast.

Here is the list of current issues:

- I cannot locate upper and lower radiator hoses, these seem to be no longer produced, any help?
- There absolutely no response of the running engine to a throttle position sensor. Revving up has a bit of delay also.
- car occasionally would not start, just cranks and no fire, but if I connect battery charger and give it extra boost she seems to fire. Battery and terminals are in good shape, not sure if this is related to alarm system (which is disabled to code 0000) or some other wiring issues.

- I am looking for some trim and whole lot of parts for routine maintenance, what is the best source?

Thanks you!
I noticed it was an S1-v6-24. Engine no of FV33 0001326 makes it an early, pre-modified, unit, so check the cam followers and tappets to see if they have been modified. Gold cam followers, tappets with ceramic inserts in the head.

For non start check the relays on the front of the ECU box and the crank and cam sensor connectors, near the throttle body. Also check the ECU connector for splayed contacts and the ECU for pins retreated into the ECU. I've had all these issues.

Make a Blink Code Reader and read the codes.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=7368&p=85892#p85892

The ECU only provides power to the coil and injectors once a crank signal is received.
92 2.1SED M.RP5740 ECZ Sable Phenicien
92 3.0 V6-24.Rp 5713 EXY Black
92 2.1SD M.RP 5685 ENT Blue Sideral
Prev
90 2.1SD M.RP 5049 EJV Mandarin
92 2.1SD A.RP 5698 EJV Mandarin
94 2.1SD A.RP 6218 ERT Triton Green
91 2.0SI M.RP 5187 EWT White

Mish_Mish
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Re: New US owner of old XM from this forum.

Post by Mish_Mish » Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:55 am

It does have gold colored parts in the valve train.
I will check all the things you mentioned, going through wiring as we speak, inch by inch!
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Re: New US owner of old XM from this forum.

Post by Mish_Mish » Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:44 pm

picture of the rocker arm.
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Re: New US owner of old XM from this forum.

Post by MTXM » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:44 pm

It looks like you have a later engine there and what is actually the year of the car? I originally saw the 24v badges and Monte Carlo wheels and assumed early S2, but I now realize it is a S1 with the alloys changed! Regards, Matthew T.
1989 V6 Exclusive (Poland car)
1990 V6sei auto (grey auto)
1990 V6sei manual (gold car)
1990 V6.24 Pallas (Germany car)
1990 V6.24v (Scotland car)
Other previous XM sold and broken too many to mention!

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