1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

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Flegmaatikko
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Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Post by Flegmaatikko » Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:11 pm

I also hear a clicking sound when this happens and to my ear it's the solenoid trying to pull. Someone a long time ago had a topic about this problem on the Finnish Citroen forum and even though he didn't find the problem he found that the solenoid gets power but not enough to engage the starter. Mine usually does this when the engine bay is hot and that's enough to make a bad connection.

Of course, it's not unusual for the starter to fail. How many miles has it done?

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Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Post by Dieselman » Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:30 am

Use a jump wire from the solenoid Ign contact to Batt+ve to test the starter.

Mine was doing this and turning slowly, which a strip and clean fixed both issues. I suspect e brushes were sticking in their guides.
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Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Post by Citjon » Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:41 am

It has done 162k miles, the starter looks like it has been reconditioned already as it is painted black all over. I think a strip down and clean up is the way forward, depending on what I find..
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Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Post by Dieselman » Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:03 am

Citjon wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:41 am
It has done 162k miles, the starter looks like it has been reconditioned already as it is painted black all over. I think a strip down and clean up is the way forward, depending on what I find..
I suspect it will be the later, smaller Mitsubishi starter motor, in which case it is very likely to have been reconditioned already. The early Valeo ones are incredibly robust.
92 2.1SED M.RP5740 ECZ Sable Phenicien
92 3.0 V6-24.Rp 5713 EXY Black
92 2.1SD M.RP 5685 ENT Blue Sideral
Prev
90 2.1SD M.RP 5049 EJV Mandarin
92 2.1SD A.RP 5698 EJV Mandarin
94 2.1SD A.RP 6218 ERT Triton Green
91 2.0SI M.RP 5187 EWT White

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Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Post by Citjon » Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:54 am

Dieselman wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:03 am
Citjon wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:41 am
It has done 162k miles, the starter looks like it has been reconditioned already as it is painted black all over. I think a strip down and clean up is the way forward, depending on what I find..
I suspect it will be the later, smaller Mitsubishi starter motor, in which case it is very likely to have been reconditioned already. The early Valeo ones are incredibly robust.
Thanks Will, are they fully interchangeable? I think I've got a spare Valeo one somewhere - do you know the part numbers?
98 XM 2.1 VSX auto RP8032 EHJ Crimson Pearl
89 CX25DTR T2
72 D Super 5 Black
72 DS21 efi Bleu D'Orient

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Re: 1998 2.1 VSX Auto new project

Post by Dieselman » Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:19 am

Not sure, they have a differing number of teeth on the pinion.
92 2.1SED M.RP5740 ECZ Sable Phenicien
92 3.0 V6-24.Rp 5713 EXY Black
92 2.1SD M.RP 5685 ENT Blue Sideral
Prev
90 2.1SD M.RP 5049 EJV Mandarin
92 2.1SD A.RP 5698 EJV Mandarin
94 2.1SD A.RP 6218 ERT Triton Green
91 2.0SI M.RP 5187 EWT White

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