Our old friend

Off topic chat about anything you like. Doesn't have to be about XMs (though they will inevitibly come up!). You can even discuss non-Citroens :o in here!
casalingua
Has changed a sphere or two
Posts: 290
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:07 pm
Location: Denmark

Our old friend

Post by casalingua » Mon May 20, 2013 10:51 am

Hello all: alas rust has bitten my car. The front right wing has rusted through where it meets the sill, the part coated with thick black rubbery paint. Does anyone know if this is a straight bolt-on replacement? It's another task for the Dutch garage I have found, I suppose. It also means painting, irritatingly. Another question is about the windscreen. Mine is debonding at the base of the a-pillar. Has anyone else tackled this somehow? At 24 years, time is catching up on the old bird.
Richard

User avatar
MTXM
Citroen God!
Posts: 4901
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:45 pm
Location: Bacton-on-Sea, Norfolk

Re: Our old friend

Post by MTXM » Mon May 20, 2013 11:27 am

Hello Richard,
I was sorry to hear about your problems which are both quite usual for an XM of that age. At least three of my older cars have had wing lower sections repaired with new metal welded on and the rot is due to mud collecting behind the wheel arch liner. Another solution is to find a good second-hand wing, although that is even more likely to involve new paint. The only option for the screen is replacement but I guess the problem is mainly cosmetic.
With regards,
Matthew T.
1989 V6 Exclusive (Poland car) - Now living in a local Motor Museum!
1990 V6sei auto (grey auto)
1990 V6sei manual (gold car)
1990 V6.24 Pallas (Germany car)
1990 V6.24v (Scotland car)
Other previous XM sold and broken too many to mention!

casalingua
Has changed a sphere or two
Posts: 290
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:07 pm
Location: Denmark

Re: Our old friend

Post by casalingua » Mon May 20, 2013 12:24 pm

Hi: thanks for that. Is a new screen really required? That's a surprise. I'd optimistically thought it just meant re-fitting. Is the clouding internal to the glass? A replacement wing seems to be cheap enough; perhaps having a whole new wing would be neater than weld'n' spray? Luckily the rust is under the black-body colour dividing crease.
Richard

captainhaddock
XM Guru
Posts: 1854
Joined: Sun May 13, 2012 9:43 pm

Re: Our old friend

Post by captainhaddock » Mon May 20, 2013 2:05 pm

I think clouding is air or water getting in between the 2 layers of glass. I would go for a used wing, Van Gompel should have them too :)

User avatar
MTXM
Citroen God!
Posts: 4901
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:45 pm
Location: Bacton-on-Sea, Norfolk

Re: Our old friend

Post by MTXM » Mon May 20, 2013 2:45 pm

The clouding is de-lamination of the two layers of glass used in the screen as stated by CH. If only the bottom of the wing is rusted where painted by black and the rest of the metal and paintwork are good I would be inclined to repair myself. With regards, Matthew T.
1989 V6 Exclusive (Poland car) - Now living in a local Motor Museum!
1990 V6sei auto (grey auto)
1990 V6sei manual (gold car)
1990 V6.24 Pallas (Germany car)
1990 V6.24v (Scotland car)
Other previous XM sold and broken too many to mention!

User avatar
Eddie nuff
Could do a 2.1 headgasket
Posts: 1233
Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:53 pm
Location: West Yorkshire

Post by Eddie nuff » Mon May 20, 2013 5:05 pm

Depends on how much your windscreen is clouding as to whether it's worth removing to re-seat it on fresh mastic. The work involved against a new screen fitted is something you're going to have to weigh up.
89 XM 2.0Si RP4788 (Gold)

User avatar
MTXM
Citroen God!
Posts: 4901
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:45 pm
Location: Bacton-on-Sea, Norfolk

Re: Our old friend

Post by MTXM » Mon May 20, 2013 5:57 pm

Unfortunately the de-lamination is between the two layers of glass rather than in the mastic joint. It might be worth waiting until the screen is damaged, although I guess it depends on how fussy you are about appearance. Regards, Matthew T.
1989 V6 Exclusive (Poland car) - Now living in a local Motor Museum!
1990 V6sei auto (grey auto)
1990 V6sei manual (gold car)
1990 V6.24 Pallas (Germany car)
1990 V6.24v (Scotland car)
Other previous XM sold and broken too many to mention!

casalingua
Has changed a sphere or two
Posts: 290
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:07 pm
Location: Denmark

Re: Our old friend

Post by casalingua » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:20 pm

I sent some photos of the sub-frame rust to Van Gompel in Holland. He replied (or rather one of his staff did) that in his view the rust was on the body not the subframe. And in any case he didn´t want to do the work. In the first instance I will take the car back to the garage here to have another peek under the body. I am pretty sure my mechanic can tell the difference between the body and the subframe but maybe he made a language mistake since he is not a native English speaker. Secondarily, the little black metal strip under the sunroof aperture seems badly corroded too. If Van Gompel is not interested and the problem is not the body, I may consider some German workshops. There is one in Hamburg, for example. All in all though, this looks messy. I really want to hang on to the car as overall it is in very nice condition and getting something as nice would be hard. Websites such as Mobile.de show up a lot of series 2s and V6s rather than Series 1 four-cylinder models. And I can´t really think of a better car as a replacement. My fantasy car, a 604 is attainable financially but seems to promise a lot more effort to maintain than the XM and the fuel economy is dire, even for a low mileage driver like me. How does 24 mpg strike you, if I drive it at a steady 60 and never any faster. The nice thing about the XM 2.0 is that if you want you can hammer it and it still gets 28. 32 is entirely feasible and a 100 mph sprint brings it down to 25 which is still quite sane the odd time I need to do that. Hmmmm.

robert_e_smart
Global Moderator
Posts: 4546
Joined: Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:08 pm

Re: Our old friend

Post by robert_e_smart » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:24 pm

I have found a nice car to keep me out of xms! C5 V6 HDI! Hammer it on and it will do 36 mpg, drive easier an get nearer 40! Check out the series 2 xm 2.0
16v. Very nice to drive and very underrated. A lovely car with an autobox and full leather.
1990 XM 2.1 Turbo SD
2008 Volvo V70 D5 SE Lux Automatic
2009 Volvo XC90 D5 SE Automatic

User avatar
Jan-hendrik
XM Guru
Posts: 1559
Joined: Tue May 26, 2009 3:27 am
Location: Hiroshima, Japan

Re: Our old friend

Post by Jan-hendrik » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:48 am

Casalingua, I could not find the info under this topic, but actually what type of XM do you drive? I always find it interesting to see that information in the signature or profile :)
2000 XM 3.0 V6 24v Exclusive Auto Vert Vega - 86k km LHD RP8569

Post Reply