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Re: Anthracite XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual

Post by Aerodynamica » Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:58 pm

Updates on the fault code reader. I finally made the LED reader! The running of the engine has been getting worse and now exhibits a distinct lumpy/ jerky attitude at times after you take your foot off the accelerator - I made the fault code reader and hoped to find some definitive fault that would point to a problem to investigate.
Turning some little bits
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Into a code reader
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That when fitted to the ECUs
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... revealed.. well, not what I was hoping to hear..

Firstly, to test it out I hooked it up to the Hydractive ECU to get the hang of using it. After following the procedure the led indicated that the stored faults on the ECU were 23 and 24, fault on Steering angle sensor and vehicle speed sensor. I cleared the codes and took it for a spin , the suspension was brilliant for the first mile and then went back to its old ways- perma spors mode. I re read the ECU and this time only one fault code: vehicle speed sensor. So that's that, I'll have to replace/ repair the speed sensor and hopefully will have functioning Hydractive!!

So with the thing working well, I plugged it into the engine ECU. There was a fault recorded but oddly it was a number 46, that was not listed in the engine ECU faults listed on the excellent link provided above. I searched for it all the same and found only one mention of it from a .pdf of the instruction boolk for a Draper fault code reader for PSA and Renault cars. Maybe close enough? On this the code 46 is said to be the Turbo boost control solenoid valve. This is the only fault recorded.

This is disappointing because I am certain that this device has nothing to do with the revs dropping when the throttle is touched and this intermittent jerky missfire on the run off/ deceleration. It's also less than smooth on acceleration too but that actually MIGHT be to do with a boost controller..

I cleared the engine fault code too and ran the engine to find no difference at all in the running. I think that the electronics for the fuel and sparks are actually ok and that there is a physical problem with some moving parts (maybe?) the engine is a bit 'tappety' but not really sponding too worn out.

I'd descibe the jerkiness of the running as being like an engine with the ignition timing out. It feels the same as my first BX that had its timing out by 10degrees in that it ran but hit a dead spot that was lumpy if you tried to accelerate. I think the ignition timing on the RGX engine is completely electronic though so I am none the wiser.

I thought I'd have a look at the spark plugs too to check the gaps. May as well check the simple things as well! They came out easy enough though there was a lot of bits of country side and bits of spider eggs etc all gunging up the plug surrounds so this all had to be cleaned out in case it fell into the cylinder head. The plugs are the two-electrode type and the gaps were over 1mm so were tweaked down to about 0.8. The electrode colour was seemingly healthy too so no messages there..

I'm still stumped - driving a stiffly sprung and decidedy rough running XM..

Thought I'd have a look at the ECU for the air con too just for interest but this didn't seem to work with the LED reader - LED stayed permanently lit on either plug terminal. Why does this have a green wire seemingly bridging the terminals in the end plug?

ABS works fine so I didn't look at that ECU.

So what can I do about the running issues? I heard folks speak of cleaning some part of the throttle body and mention of the cleaning of some part of the idle control motor - any ideas?
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Re: Anthracite XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual

Post by jorgy » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:54 pm

Aerodynamica,

I'm very excited by your investigation of the hydractive, reason being I have almost the same problem in mine, for years now, and actually it's in my list to-absolutely-do this summer and start enjoying the car to the full.

When I got this car (2009) it used to lock to hard very soon after departure, and it would only revert to soft with an ignition switch-off. It became better with me cleaning earths etc and that's why I put up with it for all this time, but still Hydractive doesn't work well -I'm almost sure it also doesn't always switch to hard, when it should. Now usually it locks to a permanent hard for a few times during a trip, but mostly it stays soft.

Anyway, I'll do like you, only difference is I got one of these fault readers that are just your circuit in a box... I also have an Elit but have yet to look into using it. The fault you got (vehicle speed sensor) is the most common in my experience, together with gas pedal position sensor. Never heard of a steering wheel sensor going. Braking pressure sensor neither.

You're right, an XM with a working Hydractive, is a dream to drive. Can easily see me 10 years from now, still with an XM, and people calling me "the weird man with the old Citroen" or wondering whether I have money to get a new car... :lol: Here's to fixing our Hydractives!!
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Re: Anthracite XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual

Post by Aerodynamica » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:17 am

Haha thanks George, I'll get to the bottom of it eventually!
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Re: Anthracite XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual

Post by White Exec » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:31 am

George,

Just read your complaint above about the suspension annoyingly going into Firm just after leaving home, and on a few occasions during a journey, apparently for no reason.

I've had the same thing for months, and have written it up in the recent post thread "Body Movement Sensor" - which wasn't itself at fault. See the posts for the fix that worked for me.

The suspension is programmed to flip to firm whenever it detects that the accelerator pedal is moved quickly or significantly (more than certain thresholds), and if you happen to do this on a rough or damaged road, then you will feel the effects quite unpleasantly. Tell-tale electrovalve LEDs on the dash revealed just what was going on - basically, if you squish the gas pedal, or waggle it about, things go firm . . . and that's normal and how it's meant to be, so far as I can conclude.

My 'fix' has been to add a simple switch to the dash, which grounds (via a resistor) the suspension ECU accelerator pedal sensor input. Thus grounded, the ECU thinks the pedal is up, and doesn't flip to firm. Works fine, and no apparent downsides in practice. Reverts to normal operation a second or two after the switch is cancelled. Makes accelerating over (usually uphill) poor road surfaces comfortable.

Might be worth a try.
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Re: Anthracite XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual

Post by jorgy » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:56 pm

Hi Chris

Thanks for the comment, and as it happens I discovered your thread a couple of days ago. Have been so busy lately that I have had to completely miss forum-life and car maintenance, but hoping to have more time in July and August, and will catch up. And at the No 1 of priority list is to get down to my hydractive's fault! Well, this was before the head gasket issue manifested itself...

Will read your thread with lots of interest. You talking of the body-motion sensor and poor surfaces, reminded me that I'm 100% I was reading some time ago, in some manual, that the system actually includes a module (I mean a programme) for poorly roads, e.g. coblestone. It is measured by the body-motion sensor, and results in avoiding putting the car to hard (as it would do normally if it saw such wide body movements). Quite sophisticated!

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Post by White Exec » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:01 am

Yes, it was a couple of paragraphs about coping with broken road surfaces and flat tyres. Fine words!
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Re: Anthracite XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual

Post by David Hallworth » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:56 am

I've just experienced a similar problem to what your experiencing on my Xantia Activa with it's newly fitted V6 engine.

The problem was being caused by the MAP sensor on the inlet manifold. Because the sensor is giving a reading it won't store a fault code. The ECU will trim the fuel to match the air readings coming from the MAP. As the readings are wrong, so is the fuel setting. Mine had a massive flat spot at 2000rpm and a slight miss just before that.

A new MAP sensor from Citroen (£70) had this problem completely solved.

Could be something similar on your car. As it's not logging a code it sounds like a sensor has gone out of scope rather then failed altogether. If you can get one from another car it'd be worth trying the MAP sensor.

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Post by Aerodynamica » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:02 am

Thanks David that's really useful. Isn't the map sensor inside the ecu?
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Re: Anthracite XM 2.0 SEi Turbo Manual

Post by CitroJim » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:23 am

Aerodynamica wrote:Isn't the map sensor inside the ecu?
Yes it is Graeme... You can crack the ECU open to see it but replacing it might be an issue. have a look first to check the pipe going to it is good. They do perish and the little white plastic 'resonator' in the pipeline to the sensor has a habit of splitting. Air leaks near the MAP sensor will cause the sensor itself to appear duff...

A replacement ECU might be needed but do ensure any replacement has a known keypad code!
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Post by MTXM » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:35 am

A replacement ECU might be needed but do ensure any replacement has a known keypad code!
Fortunately for Graeme the car has no keypad Jim!
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