Citroen XM page at Wikipedia

[casalingua]

Hi:
I put a fair amount of review material at the Citroen XM page at Wikipedia a few years back so I know the page quite well. I think it was Adrian from the CCC who wrote some of the main introductory sections before I got to them. For ages the text has said something like "generally viewed as the last real Citroen". And I let that stand as I think its true. But in the last few weeks someone has been in to review this and has struck out that line. Does anyone have a document or reference to that effect I can cite? For a few years Car magazine´s GBU called the XM the "last of the truly lunar vehicles from planet Citroen" but that´s not the same thing. If anyone can put their finger on the source Adrian CCC used I would be happy to plop it back in.
Irritatingly, I gathered some reviews of the Chevrolet Epica and the summar and links to those were struck out by someone else. Wikipedia is odd.

Regards,

Richar

[Dean]

I was never to keen on 'the last Real Citroen' line, Technicaly the last "Real" Citroen was the BX although Volvo based, if the Volvo chassis grinds then the last real Citroen is surely the CX.

If you dont run with the pug killed Citroen boys then the last real Citroen would be the C6, or if we are talking about the Hydraulics then it is likely to be the C5 which is still in production with the most advanced Citroen hydraulic suspension ever made.

To be honest i dislike the saying because its so subjective as you can see above.

D

[Dieselman]

I was never to keen on 'the last Real Citroen' line, Technicaly the last "Real" Citroen was the BX although Volvo based, if the Volvo chassis grinds then the last real Citroen is surely the CX.

But then that's was project L, which was originally offered to BLMC and inspired the Rover SD1.

GS and SM it is, then...

[White Exec]

The drift towards globalised/corporate/rationalised product has affected the individuality of almost every marque which sported engineering excellence or anything else unique. Citroen is no exception.

The process is gradual, and it's usually difficult to put a definitive finger on "the last real.....". Death by a thousand cuts.

Eventually, there will only be three or four major car manufacturers left anyway, all sharing each others' components.

[citsncycles]

Ah, the 'what's a real Citroen' question again!

If real Citroens are those designed before they were taken over, that'd be the Traction Avant range wouldn't it?

Why would the BX chassis upset anyone? Its floor pan was used on the Peugeot 405, not the other way round.

The only Citroens I question whether they were proper ones are cars they built under licence (like the C-Crosser) and those built in conjunction with other businesses like the C1 and some of the vans, and they depend on how much Citroen was involved in the design.

[Dean]

I was never to keen on 'the last Real Citroen' line, Technicaly the last "Real" Citroen was the BX although Volvo based, if the Volvo chassis grinds then the last real Citroen is surely the CX.

But then that's was project L, which was originally offered to BLMC and inspired the Rover SD1.

GS and SM it is, then...

bloody maserati rubbish with its amputated V8 thats no Citroen............

D

[russ92xmsed]

The subjective question of the last great Citroen. Let the arguments begin! Depends on what Citroen you think was the last great Citroen though. Does it need to have hydraulics to be great.... thinking 2CV here. It was a clever little car. Only car so far to date to fully excel it's own brief.
Maybe the last true Citroen, was the mk1 BX, with it's more Citroen style dash and interior. The XM was a nice design, but totally conventional compared to the likes of the CX and SM.
I think the C5 as Dean mentioned will be the last 'complex hydraulic' citroen we'll ever see. But then it doesn't have the fully centralised hydraulic system. In that respect the XM and Xantia was the last of the old tech, and therefore maybe the last true Citroens!
But, have we just been given the next best Citroen since the famous greats, in the form of the Cactus.
Probably not!

You could argue with yourself for ages about this.


I might be wrong here, but I believe the SM didn't ever have a chopped V8 Maserati engine. It was a specially designed v6 unit the SM got. So I believe... I stand corrected if not And the project L is only an early citroen test car for the CX. I thought the CX and SD1 were inspired by the Aerodynamica concept by Pininfarina.

[Dean]

That is right i believe Russ, the engine was based on the V8 but was always concieved as a V6 from the off so the story goes, the whole chopped V8 thing is just myth.

D

[Dieselman]

the project L is only an early citroen test car for the CX. I thought the CX and SD1 were inspired by the Aerodynamica concept by Pininfarina.

Technically true...but you get my drift...

Did you notice I got an SD1 to park next to me on my car meet night out the other Tuesday.

[xmexclusive]

Is a "I am right,you are wrong" punch up on Wikipedia worth the effort.
Even cast iron facts do not convince zelots with a cause.

John